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Challenge: Disprove CM's Thesis

cheetahmaster posted this thesis on music of our generation. And I'm curious to see if it can be disproved. I think it probably can but I don't know exactly how or with what examples. (Note: I don't think you can or should take CM to task directly for the statement if you think it's wrong, let's just call it a statement that's hanging out there to be disproved.)

It's also hard to define greatest, in the sense that do you mean are they our generation's Elvis? Or our generation's Beatles, Led Zeppelin, or Rolling Stones? The latter of whose influence and greatness is probably widely debatable? [edit] And can our generation even have something seminal like that?

I am thinking of greatness in a sense of popularity + musical quality (or percieved musical quality based on critical repsonse) + staying power. And I don't listen to what people would consider "great" bands by those standards, so I have a hard time coming up with alternatives.

Anyways, discuss.

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bjoneill74
Jul. 7th, 2006 02:13 am (UTC)
depends on what you are comparing.. album sales, concert tickets sold, number of charted hits, how often bono is involved in politics..
who really gives a crap about that stuff?

in terms of talent, song writing, being memorable, production quality, etc??
Those are all very subjective things.
Those things are all something that end up being very personal.
Music connects with different people in very different ways.
The above comment on David Gahan is proof of that.. David Gahan has left an impact/impression with someone.. I couldn't even tell you who David Gahan is, but I'm all for it.. you've connected with it and that's great.. no need to defend or argue your taste here..
even when two people like a band.. they usually differ on what songs/aspects of that band they like.. then there are the masses that simply just chomp on what the media/execs want them to.

I've never understood why people need to validate things with other people..
"I like this music, but perhaps I aughtta check with some other folks to see if it's acceptable".. CROCK OF CRAP..
it doesn't end with music.. people do it with food, movies, tv shows, religion, political preferences etc.. there are of course exceptions to the rule..

I do however like U2 quite a bit.. I love the Edge's style and sounds.
Are they the biggest band of our generation??
*shrug.. I don't much care..

I like them and I like a lot of other music which most people would scoff at.. it doesn't matter as long as it takes me to the places in my head that I like to go.. or new places for that matter.




snidegrrl
Jul. 7th, 2006 04:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think I was trying to find a definitive answer here, I just really like to hear people talk about bands. :) "Greatness" can be measured in all sorts of ways, some of them measurable like album sales, market penetration, demographics... and those things tie in to less measurable things like how much influence a band's music or the band themselves have on culture and other artists. So in one sense, I wanted to hear people theorize on the subject of greatness.

Like there is no question in my mind I think the greatest band of my generation (and the generation before) is Genesis, and of course there are plenty of people who say not only is their music crap (or just this or that part of their music) but here, Phil Collins makes terrible pablum to be eaten up by the masses, blah blah. I see that as an amazing impact made by a very talented musician and writer even if I personally can't listen to No Jacket Required very often.

I like U2 in a sort of vaguely disinterested way. But I've known so many people who were so passionate about them! And I know they can fill stadiums. And have been together for 20+ years and still make music that's relevant. I guess I just wanted to know what other bands have done that from my generation - and I like to stir shit up a little. I really like to hear other people tlak about the bands they love. They've all already heard me talk about the bands I love. :)
bjoneill74
Jul. 7th, 2006 01:05 pm (UTC)
yep.. everyone has their favs... then there's the tangeable stuff like sales.
My fav's are relatively unknown with the masses and that's just fine by me.

Genesis is great.. I personally prefer the Gabriel era stuff. Phil Collins is one hell of a drummer though.

My personal favs are:
Marillion (Hogarth Era)
Tori Amos
Pat Metheny
King's X
Dave Matthews Band
Tool
Bjork
Echolyn
ughh.. this list could really go on for a while..

none of the above have had the success/sales that U2 has, but it doesn't those stats don't make me feel U2 is great.
snidegrrl
Jul. 7th, 2006 01:48 pm (UTC)
I have only listened to Fish-Marillion and I kind of wonder if that's not a good thing. :) For some reason Fish irritates me.

Thank you for giving props to the Dave Matthews Band. I love that they are making some of the most intricate and interesting pop music and still selling big. So many people deride DMB and I think that's because they do sell so big and to so many regular folks, not because of their music.

There are so many bands out there for me to explore... I think I'll never catch up.
bjoneill74
Jul. 7th, 2006 03:12 pm (UTC)
yeah.. DMB is great.. They are amazing musicians.. I like most of their stuff.
I tend to gravitate mostly towards the stuff that they don't release to be beaten to death on the airwaves, but Before These Crowded Streets is a beautiful album in my opinion.. I think the song lengths and a few odd meters and such turned some people off.. but I think it's great.

The Marillion debate is a huge one.
It's blasphemy to say you like Hogarth better than Fish with "true" Marillion fans..
I dunno.. if your expecting prog with Hogarth.. you'll find a little of it.. but it's more very polished rock to me, but I love it.
I found Hogarth to be a bit boring at first, but I think it's because his voice is so different from anything I've heard before then.
Now he's far and away my favorite vocalist/song writer.. that band to me is much better than the sum of it's parts..
Drummers might tend to shy from Marillion a bit as well.. he doesn't do anything flamboyant or super tricky.. He does what fits the music.. and after time you do realize that they all have their mark on the music which you'd not trade.
He used to play with Hackett's band or something me thinks..
professorbooty
Jul. 8th, 2006 01:37 pm (UTC)
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Personally, I will gladly deride Dave Matthews Band on the basis of their music, but maybe that's just me.