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So someone I know is looking at the maternity leave at their place of work. Apparently, it is 5 weeks. Her partner gets no leave and must take vacation to spend any time at home during/after the birth of his child. The real kicker is her maternity leave starts one week AFTER the birth, and any time during and up to that time, she must use vacation. I think this is outrageous (both the inequity and the shortness of that time), but then I'm a commie pinko liberal who doesn't love profit enough to see what's really important. So this thus-far childfree feminist is curious what the stats are across her f-list? Which she recognizes is largely skewed towards the affluent?

Poll #508244 Family Values

For women: How much maternity leave is allowed at your place of work?

None/No benefits/Student
12(27.9%)
Less than 4 weeks
0(0.0%)
4-6 weeks
9(20.9%)
6-8 weeks
11(25.6%)
More than 8 weeks
11(25.6%)

For men: How much paternity leave is allowed at your job?

None/No benefits/Student
18(51.4%)
Yes, I get paternity leave, but it is not equivalent to maternity leave.
6(17.1%)
Yes, I get paternity leave, and it is equivalent to maternity leave.
11(31.4%)

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catsaurus
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:43 pm (UTC)
If I'm understanding our policy correctly, we get a few days paid (up to 10 days, depending on seniority), and up to 12 weeks unpaid, and the same is true whether its maternity or paternity.
scrump
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
Are you considering only the leave provided by the employer, or are you also considering federally- and state-mandated stuff like FMLA and SDI?
snidegrrl
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:51 pm (UTC)
No idea. I was just considering what you can get, no matter where it comes from. Obviously if it's mandated the company has to offer it? Do you know where I can read about the mandates?
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bearly525
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:49 pm (UTC)
Before I answer, are you talking PAID maternity leave, or the FMLA "We aren't allowed to give your job away, but we're not paying you" maternity leave?
snidegrrl
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:51 pm (UTC)
Paid.
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tzel
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:51 pm (UTC)
Maternity leave is one of the areas that the US sorely lags behind other countries. Then again, we could be one of those countries that you have the baby in the field you were working in, strap it to you back and work the field the very next day. Still, it sucks you have to use your vacation and personal leave if you want more than 6 weeks with your newborn. It would be totally different if businesses offered on site daycare. I keep telling Sonia she should just bring the baby with her when she comes back to work. There's plenty of room to put up a bassinette/crib. My boss says the same and I don't think she's joking. My boss's boss, on the other hand, might have something to say about it.
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multiplexer
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:59 pm (UTC)
Ding. That's what I did. I had money banked for maternity leave.
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leenacia
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:54 pm (UTC)
Mine is the FMLA up to 12 weeks. The manual doesn't even say anything about anything else. It probably varies widely depending on the position/tenure.

I did notice that they reimburse adoption costs up to $1,500.00 per adopted child (three kid limit).
leenacia
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC)
So, whoops. My survey answer is wrong.
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multiplexer
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC)
FMLA requires, by law, that you are offered up to 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave with no jeopardy to your position at your workplace.

For me, it was unpaid, but with short term disability. That short term disability only covered 4 weeks for a normal birth or 6 weeks for a c-section and covered 60% of pay, not full pay. The rest of the paycheck came out of vacation, but it burned the first week of maternity entirly out of vacation and everything after that was at a 40% burn rate.

ceciskittle
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC)
OK I answered mine form my past...
I got up to 3 months maternity leave, unpaid. Meaning I could still come back to my job after that. My ex-husband got 2 weeks paid paternity leave. Of course he's govt.
snidegrrl
Jun. 7th, 2005 08:06 pm (UTC)
Re: OK I answered mine form my past...
wow. i don't know very many people that can survive 3 months without pay. grr.
Re: OK I answered mine form my past... - larksdream - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OK I answered mine form my past... - snidegrrl - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OK I answered mine form my past... - larksdream - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OK I answered mine form my past... - snidegrrl - Jun. 7th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OK I answered mine form my past... - larksdream - Jun. 7th, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC) - Expand
squeegibo
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:58 pm (UTC)
I just checked. We have the minimum allowed by FMLA: up to 12 weeks of leave taken as a block. We have to use vacation time first, then get unpaid leave.

So I answered "none".
squeegibo
Jun. 7th, 2005 06:59 pm (UTC)
Oh, and men and women get the same treatment here.
multiplexer
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:01 pm (UTC)
As a note, my survey answers are wrong, because I thought it meant "in general," not "how much is paid." I technically got 6 weeks paid between banked time and short term disability.

judithiscariot
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:09 pm (UTC)
Childbirth is covered under short term-disability. You are allowed 6 weeks from the birth of your child at 2/3 pay. Then, under FMLA, you may take an additional 6 weeks unpaid (note that during this additional period, you must pay the full premiums for your benefits, such as healthcare).

I am fairly sure men are not covered.
asimplelife
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:16 pm (UTC)
Is that state or federally mandated?
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asimplelife
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC)
O you hit my hot issues button!
I'm a commie pinko liberal who doesn't love profit enough to see what's really important

ME TOO!

Above and beyond the fact that I luuuurve social health care and am a commie pinko Canadian, I can honestly say the one thing that makes me ABSOLUTELY LIVID about the US - and Australia - is the pathetic parental leave. As far as I can *remember* those are the only two western countries that don't have federal laws concerning paid leave.

I think the thing that I find *HILARIOUS* is the "value children! value families!" rhetoric that spews forth from the mouths of federal representatives only to be backed up by archaic laws and practices. Let's stick them all in daycare!

As you can see, this issue makes my head spin.

Anyhow, I am a contractor so I get NONE OF THIS, but full-time employees are allowed one-year paid leave at 60% of their salaries, and that money comes out of the coffers of employment insurance.

Most corporate jobs usually boost that leave however: at my last job, the benefits program paid 15% of your salary on top of your federal leave, and in the public service they pay you 40% of your salary on top of your EI pay.

It can be paternity leave or maternity leave, but there is one one year between the two, per child.

Switzerland has a 16-month paid leave law. Zut alors!

multiplexer
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:25 pm (UTC)
Re: O you hit my hot issues button!
In the United States, we really really really really care about your children until the moment they're born. Then, fuck your kids.
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - asimplelife - Jun. 7th, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - larksdream - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - asimplelife - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:42 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - larksdream - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - snidegrrl - Jun. 7th, 2005 07:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - multiplexer - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: O you hit my hot issues button! - asimplelife - Jun. 7th, 2005 08:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
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msteleute
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:12 pm (UTC)
We don't have anything in our handbook about maternity leave. That's troubling.
snidegrrl
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:18 pm (UTC)
Scary! contact ye olde HR rep or something!
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snidegrrl
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:17 pm (UTC)
I am stupid and said "4-6" and "6-8" so if you get 6 weeks, uhhhhh just pick the high one if youthink 6 weeks is enough, and the low one if you think it's not.

or just don't and laugh at me.
dj_ango
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:21 pm (UTC)
Hey, I voted but should explain. I'm jobless at the moment, but I was voting as though I was still teaching English in France. In fact, I'm still covered by their health system (if I were in France) and mothers receive upto 10 months maternity leave if the birth is complicated. Fathers (no need to be husbands) receive one month.
dj_ango
Jun. 7th, 2005 07:23 pm (UTC)
Damn it. I know how to use the subjective. I meant in the second sentence to say 'as though I were in France."
Me teach english pretty one day
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