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Keyboards in a rock song do or do not immediately lower its "rocking" quotient.
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peregrin8
May. 18th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
Do.
peregrin8
May. 18th, 2005 05:43 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, that wasn't much of a "discuss" was it? Well, let me just add that they are not exactly cowbells.
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mikailborg
May. 18th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
They do not at all. In fact, the more instruments in a rock song the better. Let's toss in some strings (real ones) and some brass while we're at it :)
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:57 pm (UTC)
Great minds think alike here. :D
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snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Hrm. I guess I don't think of DM as "rocking" so much as I think of them as... "electronicking" or something. They do rock my socks, in a sort of abstract way. R ruined me for Personal Jesus possibly forever.
wasabi_poptart
May. 18th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
do not.

three words: "Cold November Rain."
cheetahmaster
May. 18th, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
Also, see corollary: "The Final Countdown"
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bearly525
May. 18th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
Depends on how they are used?

The "one finger" synth drone... not so rocking.

Ripping melodies and arpeggios? Can rock!
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC)
But the presence of ANY keyboards? Does that immediately wimpify the song?
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castironskillet
May. 18th, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
A rock song must most prominently feature electric guitar; secondmost a drumkit including but not limited to bass, snare, high-hat and cymbal. If there are also keyboards, that's fine, as long as they do not upstage the core rock instruments.

There is much fantastically good music outside of thses lines, but it is not rock.
peregrin8
May. 18th, 2005 05:51 pm (UTC)
I think there can be rock music that doesn't adhere to that format, but the farther it gets from the electric-guitar/bass/drums sound, the less rocking it is.
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kazoogrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)
Keyboards in a rock song do or do not immediately lower its "rocking" quotient . . .

. . . especially if said keyboards are played on a key-tar.

(see ding_0_'s icon)
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
this discussion point brought to you by Mark Feldman of the Daily Vault circa 1999:

Why is "classic" Genesis so seldom played on "classic rock" radio? There exist numerous theories on that subject, but one of the more commonly-heard ones is that they are keyboard-heavy and guitar-light compared to the Zeppelins and Stoneses of the world. And the common misperception (at least when it comes to Genesis) is that keyboards are wimpy instruments that should be either in the background or completely removed if a song is truly to "rock".
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 05:55 pm (UTC)
My answer to the initial query he makes is because HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR A 10 MINUTE LONG SONG ON THE RADIO, HUH???
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sonofmudflap
May. 18th, 2005 05:57 pm (UTC)
Depends on the quotient of cowbell.
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 06:02 pm (UTC)
If I hear any cowbell, I'll come visit you with my ipod. :)
joelandrewtyson
May. 18th, 2005 06:03 pm (UTC)
What the hell does rock mean?
peregrin8
May. 18th, 2005 06:07 pm (UTC)
I know it beats scissors.
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zanramon
May. 18th, 2005 06:20 pm (UTC)
They don't always..

The Animals used keyboard organs prominently, songly like "I'm Crying" or "See See Rider"..

Also, Iron Butterfly's use of an organ in "Innagaddadavita" is classic.

However, I am sure you know of my bias against 80's music, so I won't get into the use of keyboards and the whole synth sound.
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 06:44 pm (UTC)
I think the idea is that not all keyboard = 80s synth scariness.


But I've been thinking alot about our generational fear of synth lately.

Do you listen to the Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou soundtrack>?

And do you know what makes me cringe WAY WAY more than synth?

Sax.
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oh no she didn't - peregrin8 - May. 18th, 2005 06:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
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painkiller
May. 18th, 2005 06:51 pm (UTC)
It's testable.

http://pages.prodigy.net/dlb7/Praha%20In%20Spring.mp3
"Praha In Spring" by Ruins. No keyboards.

http://pages.prodigy.net/dlb7/Praha%20In%20Spring%20(s).mp3
"Praha In Spring" by Ruins. With keyboards.

I submit to you that both versions of this song "rock." And not a guitar to be found on either one of them.

[let me know when you've downloaded them; I'm leeching someone else's webspace to put them up for you.]
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 06:58 pm (UTC)
i grabbed em. i can re-post them for people later if they request it. listening now!
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crafting_change
May. 18th, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
the whole 'we need to have a piano/keyboard' in this rock song that has been plaguing the alt/pop rockers for the past year or so has me perplexed.

I think that as a rule....it is like anything else: good artists make it rockin' bad artists make it suckin'.
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 07:42 pm (UTC)
I thought the new thing was the stripped down sound, a la White Stripes? I'm not a big White Stripes fan or anything, but I'm just trying to get a bead on what these kids today are listening to. :)
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bombyamom
May. 18th, 2005 07:34 pm (UTC)
Do. Two words: "The Doors."

"Love me two times baybay...love me twice today..."

I don't actually like that song as much as some.
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)
I loathe most anything written by Jim Morrison, but I can set that aside long enough to say yes, the Doors are the exception that disprove the "rule". The rule which uh, isn't even a rule, clearly. :)
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scrump
May. 18th, 2005 07:38 pm (UTC)
The only "keyboard" permissible in a rock song is the Hammond organ. And a Hammond immediately increases the RQ.
snidegrrl
May. 18th, 2005 07:41 pm (UTC)
awww, no Mellotrons then?
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