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The quote from Bitch magazine (an article on anti-sexism in the punk movement) I wanted to post earlier:

"Another woman told me how frustrated she was that men always alert her whenever other men say something sexist, instead of simply confronting and calling out the behavior themselves."

Word, another woman.

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rob_donoghue
May. 4th, 2005 01:38 am (UTC)
We're not allowed. It would be presumptious. Dead serious.
snidegrrl
May. 4th, 2005 02:27 am (UTC)
Who says?
rob_donoghue
May. 4th, 2005 11:37 am (UTC)
That question has a longer answer than I probably have time for. But short form, it's in the cloud of things that guys of my generation who took the "nice" path don't do because of our deep seated, often irrational fear of treating women inappropriately, and thus being a bad guy.
snidegrrl
May. 4th, 2005 12:01 pm (UTC)
I figured the nice guy path would reinforce the whole confronting sexism thing, but yeah.
cheetahmaster
May. 4th, 2005 12:19 pm (UTC)
IMHO, though, there's a difference between being nice/presumptious/non-confrontational, and calling people on things like this.
rob_donoghue
May. 4th, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC)
Sure. Logically. But we're way outside of that ballpark.
peregrin8
May. 4th, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
Not allowed to call a fellow male on his sexism, ever, or to do so on a woman's behalf when she's right there? Two very different things.
phir
May. 4th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC)
do men normally alert women to sexist remarks?
snidegrrl
May. 4th, 2005 02:59 am (UTC)
Typically, I find that if a woman identifies herrself as a feminist, people frequently turn to her to say something instead of ssaying something themselves. Like, "you're the feminist, check this out, you should field the problem." It's weird.
angela_la_la
May. 4th, 2005 11:37 am (UTC)
What's funny/sad is that a lot of guys who do that don't do the same thing when it comes to racism, though. They are fine with calling bullshit on someone prejudiced without having to find a person of that race to do it for them. I think the message that women want to be able to stand up for themselves has gotten twisted in the translation to imply that women want to do it alone, without any support. I think some men find it difficult to stand by and be helpful without taking things over, so they just... don't help at all.
snidegrrl
May. 4th, 2005 12:07 pm (UTC)
Good point.

I think also that people think that women/feminists (in the context of the article, all the people involved in the scenario were obviously in the context of feminist organizing) have some kind of special superhero skill above and beyond anyone else to call people on their isms. Now, for me personally, I feel like I don't really have much skill at that, but more that the special superhero skill is just seeing the ism.
cheetahmaster
May. 4th, 2005 03:30 am (UTC)
(an article on anti-sexism in the punk movement)

When I loan you these comic books I'm reading, you can loan me this article.
snidegrrl
May. 4th, 2005 12:01 pm (UTC)
deal!
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