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ancellius
Sep. 30th, 2003 03:58 pm (UTC)
I worship Sarah Brunting. If I can remember, I'll pick out some of her best feminist essays.
snidegrrl
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:52 pm (UTC)
Sweet - I didn't really think of her as much other than "one of those internet humorists" before.
crafting_change
Sep. 30th, 2003 04:01 pm (UTC)
brilliant!
snidegrrl
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:52 pm (UTC)
I betcha people on feminist would come up with a way to fight about this.
crafting_change
Oct. 1st, 2003 04:52 am (UTC)
oh definitely.
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snidegrrl
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:59 pm (UTC)
i recommend bell hooks' feminism is for everybody.
professorbooty
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:24 pm (UTC)
...
I still don't like the word.

Should we call someone who supports racial equality a caucasianist or a negroist or something similarly inane?

I think the feminist movement needs a new name, but I can't think of one that isn't completely dumb. Even if I could, I think a lot of feminists would accuse me of trying to take women out of the gender equality picture.

I know, it's just a name. I have issues with language.
snidegrrl
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: ...
I think I like the word so much because what it represents to me is all positive; I simply have chucked all the negative energy (too lazy to come up with a better word that "energy" to describe what I mean) and simply see it as a concept which is designed to make things better for everyone. Well, I suppose it doesn't make things better for misogynists.

I wouldn't accuse you of trying to take women out of the gender equality picture for mentioning this. Many people prefer to call themselves egalitarians. I think the time for feminism, however, is not over yet. For many people (not you) I feel the hostility towards the word feminism is simply evidence that people still have a problem with empowering women. But I'm not gonna begrudge reasonable people using egalitarian if that makes them feel better.

Main Entry: egal·i·tar·i·an·ism
Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1905
1 : a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic rights and privileges
2 : a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people
professorbooty
Sep. 30th, 2003 11:59 pm (UTC)
Re: ...
Actually, I think that there's a limiting factor in identifying the gender equality movement (which I see as a subset of egalitarianism) as "feminism." To me, this word implies that in those cases where there is a disparity between the equality of the genders, the disparity is automatically assumed to be to the detriment of women. Certainly this is often the case in our society, but this very name seems to me to reinforce the idea that unfair treatment of women is traditional and expected even as we work to make that not be the case...
snidegrrl
Oct. 1st, 2003 02:11 am (UTC)
Re: ...
I can see why you would think that. And the gendered-ness of the word itself often causes backlash.
cheetahmaster
Oct. 1st, 2003 05:16 am (UTC)
Re: ...
For many people (not you) I feel the hostility towards the word feminism is simply evidence that people still have a problem with empowering women.

See, I disagree there, but being an English major and ex-librarian, I'm very focused on word choice and its implications.

I don't dislike the term because I find it empowering, I dislike it because I don't think it represents what it is supposed to. Iceman's "negroist" counter-example is a good one.
snidegrrl
Oct. 1st, 2003 05:38 am (UTC)
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I don't dislike the term because I find it empowering

I wouldn't expect you to. I do expect people to, but not anyone I choose to be friends with.
tzel
Oct. 1st, 2003 06:14 am (UTC)
That was refreshing.
snidegrrl
Oct. 2nd, 2003 12:36 am (UTC)
Heh - apparently not for everyone!
ubet_cha
Oct. 1st, 2003 06:51 am (UTC)
Yes, You Are.
I never doubted it.

Equal rights, Equal responsibilities. Nothing less is accepted in my world.
examorata
Oct. 1st, 2003 07:53 am (UTC)
I *heart* Sars, and Tomato Nation, and stuff.

That was a great essay.
judithiscariot
Oct. 1st, 2003 02:28 pm (UTC)
do i have a problem with the denotation? no.

the connotation? yeah, probably.
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