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more NY notes and movie thing

yesterday in addition to indulging my desire to laze around and watch television, i also indulged my desire for CDs, filling some gaps in my Kate Bush and Sting collections. plus i indulged my lust for the pasta plus caesar salad. there was nothing green to eat in the house, that's my excuse. i am having trouble processing my feelings about the ehrenreich book. right now, it is guilt, which is completely non-productive. past that it has made me so careful about counting my blessings, which are embarassingly many.

i keep thinking: fuck scanners, i have a camera now.

thursday is Coworker Number One's last day with us. i feel a wee bit sniffly about this.

dreamed i was in a class to learn to ride a motorcycle again. i hope this is not going to be like my entire life before i learned to drive stick, where every other dream was about learning to drive stick. in the dream we were in this big garage and there were so many students they had us on platforms one over the other. i was on a top shelf on a motorcycle. i almost drove right off it when we were turning on the ignitions.

necrocannibal said something when we got out of the car at the end of our trip, he said, i think, "isn't it amazing how everything isn't moving around us???" which sort of depicts how NYC is, everything is moving around you, all the time. i am proud of my conservative shopping, i only bought a bag and a book. we inadvertently saw some original edward gorey artwork at the gotham book shop, which was an unexpected treat. little memories come back to me here and there of the trip. like the crazy people camped outside NBC studios hoping to win the lottery they have for SNL tickets. a few had signs that said things like "i traveled 3,000 miles!!" traveled three thousand miles to sit your ass on a dirty streetcorner. sounds like a ball. but then who am i to judge???

i have been talking to people about a movie scoring system i found in bitch mag some time ago; i think it is a good system and it helps me put hollywood in perspective. i'll explain it to you now; it was called, in the article in which i discovered it, the lesbian movie rating system or something to that effect, but i think it is of interest to everyone, not just lesbians. it goes like this.

1. is there more than one female character?
2. do the female characters ever talk to each other?
3. about something other than men?

i am consistently shocked at how few movies meet these simple qualifications.

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cheetahmaster
May. 6th, 2003 05:24 am (UTC)
that movie rating system
So, Glengarry Glen Ross is in some way a lesser/worse movie, because it doesn't have a female part in it? And My Dinner With Andre? And both of them are not as good as Blue Crush? This system is way too limited for my tastes, in that I don't think a movie needs to meet quotas to be good.
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 06:20 am (UTC)
Re: that movie rating system
first of all, i never said this was a system that told me how good a movie was. or told me whether it was a "better" quality movie than some other movie.

clearly you missed the entire point. i'm thrilled that great stories get told in hollywood with men involved. i have enjoyed many a movie that does not meet these qualifications.

however it frightens me a great deal how many movies do not. and it is worth bringing to people's attention. would you argue with that?
cheetahmaster
May. 6th, 2003 06:42 am (UTC)
Re: that movie rating system
Mea culpa, I misinterpreted what was meant by a "lesbian movie rating system."

Nope, I wouldn't argue the above. However, I also think we need better portrayal of Muslims, Jews, gay, other minorities, etc. So, we'd need separate tests for all of those as well, and frankly, that's a slippery slope.
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booyeah
May. 6th, 2003 09:21 am (UTC)
Re: that movie rating system
It would also be interesting to see how many movies fall into the opposite category. How many have multiple male actors, how often to they converse with each other over something other than girls. I'm sure that the hollywood guys definitely come out ahead on this count, but it would be interesting to see by how much.

And then to see how many movies have both.
cattack
May. 6th, 2003 06:06 am (UTC)
Nickeled and Dimed? I've read it. My first response was to be grateful for my college education, very grateful; I'm the first person in my family who has ever had one (thanks to my Mom, who works at a university). My education has opened so many doors.

My second response was guilt. So many family members live like this; I've been spared much of this hardship by virtue of where I live (lots of jobs, decent schools, culture, etc.) and--as noted--my very cheap college education.

Either way, I ultimately enjoyed the book. I tend to read either academic work or novels, so N&D was a welcome shot of investigative journalism. 8)
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 06:16 am (UTC)
if you need another shot, go ahead and read Fast Food Nation...

i thought of the third thing about the book that struck me on the way home from work... i'll never hire a maidservice. i don't want to have that relationship with another person any more than ms. ehrenreich described in the book.
cattack
May. 6th, 2003 06:23 am (UTC)
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I've read it. Eck... kept me away from meat for a goold, long while. Feh.

So right about the maid service; I'd feel ill. If only the floor was self sweeping, then life would be really good. Yes.
me_not_you
May. 6th, 2003 07:02 am (UTC)
Why no maid service? Or do I need to go read the book?
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 07:12 am (UTC)
I think it might be hard to explain here. There are alot of permutations to it; employees in maidservice, particularly for the big chain companies, not getting paid a living wage. The idea that a person should perhaps only take up the amount of space that he or she can reasonably maintain his or herself.

In the book, she describes being on her hands and knees at the feet of a homeowner, a client, and realizes that she never wants to put someone in that position. I cannot describe it adequately here; I strongly urge anyone and everyone to read this book. It is only about 200 pages and is one of the more important 200 pages I think I have read in my life.
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cheetahmaster
May. 6th, 2003 07:14 am (UTC)
Since it's apparently an us-fighting day, I still have Deb come by and do maid things every few weeks, and don't feel bad about it at all.

I do think that the problem also points to issues with our educational system, and how it doesn't teach people basic economics of living. But, as the book is on my wish list now, maybe I'll revise that after reading it.
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cheetahmaster
May. 6th, 2003 08:21 am (UTC)
Hmmm, lemme actually give it a shot (Bless LJ for helping me keep track of these things):

"1. is there more than one female character?
2. do the female characters ever talk to each other?
3. about something other than men?"

Kiki's Delivery Service 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
X-2 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
Unforgiven 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
American Outlaws 1. Yes. 2. No. 3. No.
Gladiator 1. Not really. 2. No. 3. No.
BlackMale 1. Yes. 2. No, but they do fight. 3. No.
Supercop 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
Scooby Doo 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
Vampires: Los Muertos 1. Not really. 2. No. 3. No.
Laurel Canyon 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Yes.
For A Few Dollars More 1. No. 2. No. 3. No.

So, six out of eleven, better than I expected.

(It was originally just gonna be the last ten, but the bookend between Unforgiven and For A Few Dollars More was too good to pass up.)
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 10:02 pm (UTC)
I took some notes about the movies I own on DVD but left them at home. Oops.
rubinpdf
May. 6th, 2003 01:26 pm (UTC)
I have not read Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Ehrenreich, but based on the description and reviews at Amazon, I will comment on it.

being pushed into the labor market by welfare reform...

So is this book trying to say that the government should be paying these people to sit at home rather than go to work? Wouldn't that just create dependency, and cause an even greater decline in self worth?

how they were going to survive on the wages of the unskilled

Does she have some plan to make them more skilled?

at $6 to $7 an hour, only half of what is considered a living wage.

My salary still doesn't add up to $14 an hour so I guess I'm not making a living wage (since $7 per hour is only half a living wage, $14 must be a living wage). Gee, what was I thinking feeling pretty good about myself. I should have realized I can't get by without their help. I don't know what I was thinking when I bought myself a townhouse, when I should be wallowing in poverty.

You know, it's a good thing I don't pay attention to the left very often, or I, too, would feel bad about myself all the time.

attempts to make a life on a salary of just over $300 per week after taxes.

Let's see $300 a week = $1200 a month after taxes. assuming approximately 25% (based on of the income was taken away in taxes, that's another $300 a month or so before taxes. So, she made approximately $1500 a month or $18,000 a year.

That's 2 to 3 times the amount of money I made when I first entered the workforce. Was that easy to get by on? No, but I was able to pay all my bills, and not run up any huge debts. I also knew that if I worked hard enough I would make more. Even as little as 3 years ago, I was "only" making $18000 a year, but I certainly didn't need this woman’s pity to make me feel bad about myself.

BTW - If the government didn't take away so much in taxes ($300 a month in this case), she would have had nearly enough money each month for a months worth of rent.

to aspire to with rent at $675 per month.

Obviously, you don't rent what you can't afford. All through college and several year there after, I was able to keep my share of rent to under $200. It's not impossible.

Washington's refusal to increase the minimum wage to a realistic "living wage" says about both our economy and our culture. Mandatory reading for any workforce entrant.

Now I know this book is just a bunch of bullocks. I twice experienced the love that an increase of minimum wage brought while making only slightly more than the new minimum. What happened? Did I sudden have more money in my pocket to save or spend? No, it caused the cost of everything I needed to survive to go up. Effectively, I made less money than before those nice liberals "helped" me out. I don't need that kind of help. If I was more cynical, I'd say that was the plan all along - so that I, and others like me, would become dependent on the government and would vote to keep people who would continue giving me the handouts I became depend on.

It is basic economics that if the cost of one component of a good increases (labor in this case), the cost of that good will increase as well. But unfortunately most people don't even understand something so basic.
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 10:05 pm (UTC)
I refuse to debate the book with you unless you are willing to read it.
rubinpdf
May. 7th, 2003 10:08 am (UTC)
I'll attempt to read it when you attempt to read the Tammy Bruce book.
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pseudotheist
May. 6th, 2003 10:44 pm (UTC)
You're my new hero!

But the book sounds kind of interesting. Snidegrrl, are you already lending it to someone? I assume now that you've read it it's not going to ever be a book club book...
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 11:32 pm (UTC)
It's not being loaned out yet, but I would not rule it out as a book club choice. You just might have to wait a few months.
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snidegrrl
May. 8th, 2003 01:46 am (UTC)
Re: wait a minute here...
or you live in a really surprisingly affordable area of the country.

He COMPLETELY neglected to mention that he does, indeed, live in an area with a much lower cost of living than most of us are familiar with. Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, I went there too.
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dragonwyn
May. 6th, 2003 10:55 pm (UTC)
LMRS (rating system)
I would emphatically agree that Hollywood movies, in the general sense, have far fewer female leads than male ones, which is kinda what the point of the article is, here. After all, women are not, statistically speaking, a minority but in many age groups in many societies around the world and throughout many periods of history actually constitute the majority of the total population. Now the lack of multi-layered depictions of any or all of the minority groups aside, be that Jewish, non-heterosexual, whateva, the point is there that women are under-represented, and when they are present, are often secondary and stereotypical characters. I like this system as a tool for interpreting any object of popular culture (or otherwise), be it movies, books, music videos- whatever. It certainly plays a part in how I critique any and all of these things, tho it would not always be the primary concern of mine. Hrm. Anyway. Just agreeing that it is terrible how few movies meet these qualifications. Where are those revolutionaries when ya need 'em??! *g*
snidegrrl
May. 6th, 2003 11:33 pm (UTC)
Re: LMRS (rating system)
Where are those revolutionaries when ya need 'em??!

Right here!!!
dragonwyn
May. 7th, 2003 01:44 am (UTC)
Re: LMRS (rating system)
*grins* yu go grrl!
(or should that be: yu go snidegrrl!)?!
msteleute
May. 7th, 2003 09:28 am (UTC)
OOOHHH! I believe that Mulholland Dr. actually meets these qualifications.
There is more than one female lead.
They constantly talk to each other
Men never come into their conversation as far as I can remember. They are intimate with each other.
wait a minute. This is true for the first part of the film. Then everthing gets turned around but the main characters are still the females and the conflict does involve a guy but because the women are lovers it could easily have been a woman. Have you seen this movie yet?
snidegrrl
May. 7th, 2003 11:56 pm (UTC)
I really, really need to see this film.
snidegrrl
Jun. 2nd, 2003 01:05 am (UTC)
I couldn't have been more wrong about that.
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